it's weird because i haven't had anything to do with the jws for years now, but i still dream about going to the kh very occasionally.
the last time i dreamed about going there, there was apparently going to be a special meeting where some hugely important news was going to be announced, and my mom begged me to come with her, until i finally caved.
this is weird in itself, because she hasn't had anything to do with the jws for years either, although i think it's possible she could relapse.. anyway, we're at the meeting, and this biker guy comes into the auditorium and starts heckling the speaker.
Sounds like a pretty intense dream. I don't ever dream about the jws.
Fortunately, I don't see anything like this happening in this religion. I'm afraid it is more likely to drone on to eternity. There is a lot of symbolism in your dream. You could look into what it means to you.
and what would you say about the book often referenced by the society as a backing for the stake theory, the non-christian cross by j. d. parsons ?.
you can also download it here if you prefer.
i know that book was written in 19th century so i hope that won't be used as an argument against it after all sir isaac newton's principia was written in 1687 and we aren't holding that against it either.
I agree that it makes absolutely no difference. The witnesses always get caught up in small details and miss the main point.
Kinda like putting the symbol of life (blood) as more important than the gift of life itself.
my wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.
the reason?
"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!
The US version has these "choices" too. I don't know how a jw can fill one of these out and not see the insanity of their position on blood. I have seen some of these procedures. They are no different than getting a transfusion of your own blood.
Why don't they allow people to just store their own blood?
The blood issue has become a fiasco that most witnesses try hard not to think about.
...it's blood stance with medical reasons.
they've put out countless articles and brochures on the subject based purely from a medical standpoint.
i just scratch my head at this.
They use false medical info to scare people. Fear of diseases and bad reactions to blood, greatly amplified by them, keep many away from blood when they no longer believe most of what jws teach.
Fear is always their trump card.
the american heritage dictionary defines the word clique as , " a small , exclusive group of friends or associates .
" further in the synonym section under the word " circle ", it says about the word , " clique " a clique is an exclusive group, usually social and often participating in activities from which outsiders are barred .
" it quotes john lloyd , a writer - " the narrow, often self- perpetuating cliques which control our lives, living standards and leisures.
The jws encourage cliques, not just by cautioning people to be careful of bad association in the congo. They also use titles like rungs on a corporate ladder. Many will do whatever it takes to climb that ladder, including avoiding those that don't measure up or sucking up to those with power.
When my husband was an elder there was a brother that was being considered for the title of elder. He and his wife put on a big meal and invited all the elders and their wives. It was strange because we had never been considered for any association by this couple before. He got his title and we were never invited to their house again, though they were invited to our house a few times. It was all so blatant that it was nauseating.
I still have an extreme aversion to 'titles" I don't mind that some people are just more comfortable with others that have similar interests, that's natural. It's the artificial creation of class distinctions, that the jws and other cults are so adept at, that I want no part of.
When my husband decided to "step aside" as an elder, it was amazing the how quickly some had no further use for us. That's ok though, it helped to open my eyes.
i'm a man of neither wealth nor taste (my apologies to messrs. jagger, richards, et al.
anyway, i have lurked here off-and-on for a while.
as i stated a couple of days ago, i am impressed with the level of knowledge of many of the posters on this board.
Welcome,
I never understood the reason for the preaching work either. I always asked my husband why God couldn't just read our hearts right now and end all the suffering for so many poor people. What is the point? Bring on the paradise. If you think about it, the jws believe even after the 100 year reign, everyone has to be tested again.
Crazy beliefs. Can't believe I went along with them for so long?
while watching the network's coverage on the election, i kept noticing how the announcers kept talking about what impact the rush limbaugh show might have on the republican vote... they felt his show might sway the votes away from mccain... .
now, all you conservatives out there, isn't it one of the biggest embarassments you can ever have, to know that rush limbaugh can have an effect on how your party votes?
if i knew that people thinking like rush limbaugh were voting for my candidate, that would automatically make me vote the other way.. i mean honestly, how can you not be embarrased that your party holds a man such as rush limbaugh in high esteem?
Hypocrite.
while i have only been to one meeting my entire life i have always found it odd that jw's don't use child care or sunday type school for children.
what is the reason for this policy by wts?
tia.
They had a rocking chair and a loveseat in the "baby room" at my old hall. The elders decided that the young mothers were spending too much time in there because they were too comfortable, so they decided to toss them both and allowed only 2 hard chairs in there. This room had a speaker too, so they could listen to the meeting if they chose to.
I remember trying to change and nurse a newborn at the summer convention in the hallway in a room made of plywood. What comfort and concern they showed? At first, they allowed baby strollers, so you could at least push them around to get them to sleep. Then they decided these were a fire hazard, even the ones that folded like an umbrella.
Taking babies to long conventions was really stressful and I can't imagine why I ever did it. The jws do think that children are just little adults. The young parents today need to revolt and refuse to bring children to five hours of meetings a week.
a question on a recent application that my husband filled out for a state job, substance of question was: 'are you now a member of or have any affiliation with any organization or association that inhibits you or prevents others from the practice of their constitutional rights?
' while jw membership is essentially voluntary, when you think about it, in what ways do their rules impede the constitutional and civil rights of its members?.
their anti-gun/anti-every-form-of-self-defense policy is one.
That is an unusual question for employment. Never heard it before. The jws certainly do restrict their member's constitutional rights.
1) They don't allow members to vote.
2) They don't allow members to choose their health care independently.
I'm sure there are many more examples, like choosing to serve in the defense of their country, as you mention. They say you choose these restrictions voluntarily, but they would have to remove all sanctions for doing so to make that a true statement.
any news about the "new" pioneer school?
anyone who has some material available?
has the "shining as illuminators"-book been updated?
I don't imagine the book or school is much different than the old one. It was majorly boring the first time. I don't know why anyone would want to go a second time. The only highlight was the nice meals that the subordinate "sisters" were allowed to provide. They did a really nice job.
